Saving the world is like, a side thing in his attempt to prevent the brain to enslave him again. Plot twist! This wasn't the real Balduran afterall. And the Emperor told him to be free and fly away instead of suffering next to him. The Guardian/Dream visitor literally admit he was Balduran after the encounter. . In the final path when you fail to dominate the brain, he offers for you to take Orpheus's power as your own. And Baldur's fate now turns upon. Argumentatively, he’s well written as the emperor, but poorly written/developed as Balduran. Website: more guides and information about each game be sure to check out my webs. So our guardian became the emperor storyline. Who, let us say, is mightily pissed even after all these years. For example: He chooses to side with us despite of overwhelming odds because he knows that if the absolute and the three win, it’s over. Act 3 - Spoilers. dude has zero integrity, lmao. New recommendations Song Video Search. Also know that the. It is why he became an undead. Re: Daisy, the Absolute, and the Emperor [SPOILERS] Milkfred # 918972 30/10/23 01:44 AM. The Emperor isn't a full on evil character, but he isn't a nice dude either. So while something of the person pre-soul loss remains, it's a twisted, amoral version of them, with only their darker impulses left. I gather Orpheus just stopped giving The Emperor his protection and he fell back under control of the brain. It is cataclysmic. The Emperor is no longer Balduran. Yeah, that Balduran, the founder of Baldur’s Gate. See a recent post on Tumblr from @thistlearts about balduran. Finding out he is Balduran does nothing really for Tav or Emperor taking down the brain. I gather Orpheus just stopped giving The Emperor his protection and he fell back under control of the brain. Balduran was an adventurer and seafarer in Faerun who amassed wealth and founded the city of Baldur's. Though if what people are saying and there's a conversation, before Orpheus is free, where the emperor explicitly joins the brain then I concede the point. That’s Balduran. . Looking for an adventure? Than this is the right place! This time, we get told the whole story of Balduran, his hero days, his downfall and how that broke An. . He was the grandson of Buarainech, and the cousin of Bres. #2. every. For a few reasons. Baldur's Gate 3 Soul Coins : Find them all Baldur's Gate. Empire golden built on trade. And the game explains it. Found a minor ending variation. On the screen with tadpole powers it is writen partial-illithid if you accept his proposal. idk, unnecessary? forced? out of nowhere? I mean the one guy who helps us and happens to be an illithid is also the guy who founded the damn city ?. Balduran might have been a decent dude. Even though if you save Orpheus as a mindflayer he's perfectly fine with you being one. We are led to believe, in the end, that we might also get so lucky if we transform. But the Emperor is not Balduran. And, apparently, the dude who murdered his best friend, the Bronze Dragon Ansur. #2. idk, unnecessary? forced? out of nowhere? I mean the one guy who helps us and happens to be an illithid is also the guy who founded the damn city ? Isn't it a bit much? On a side note, when he joins the Netherbrain in the end if you refuse to give him the stones. The Baldurans were a race of mammalian humanoids from the Expansion Region planet Baldur. old hand. If you succeed, you get to go to the last room where there is a dragon. 19. Who founded Baldur's Gate. 18. At some point it came into the inventory of Deidre, a. Context clues really suggest that Balduran took the initiative and killed Ansur in. It is here that the Emperor’s final secret is revealed as Ansur shows the party that the Emperor used to be Balduran. It feels like Balduran wants freedom while the Illithid he has become chooses to be a slave rather than potentially dying by the hand of Orpheus. Certainly transforming made him more ruthless and. I'd rather help Ansur. Power/Intimacy. The Balduran's Giantslayer greatsword, which you can loot from Ansur, and Balduran's Helm, which rests on a podium at the back of the room. Ansur did try to kill the Emperor. I hadn’t gotten that far and based on what I know of the guy, I didn’t think that was possible and it still doesn’t make any sense based on previous lore. The Emperor is exceptional in this regard, he has a unique personality shaped by his origins. It is why he became an undead. . Zan, Cleric of Ilmater, remembers River from his dreams and is determined to know and understand his connection with her. Empire golden built on trade. He still can't. (I know some people don't have the same values, but what is missing is a non-negotiable staple of the genre in my eyes) Re: Daisy, the Absolute, and the Emperor [SPOILERS] Nerovar # 881410 15/08/23 10:40 PM. The odds. So as we meet the emperor turns out he's Balduran the founder of baldur's gate turned into a mindflayer long ago. 19. Moonrise towers and the surrounding City were built 150~ years ago by Ketheric BEFORE he lost it. Emperor joins BEFORE you free orpheus and ♥♥♥♥♥ off and says "well I'm joining the netherbrain then if you want to free orpheus" this is BEFORE you free him. (As an additional note, the murals in the wyrmway strongly suggest Balduran was an elf once upon a time, not a human). I mostly enjoyed the. Yet once again, because of the fact that Balduran leaves, he seems genuinely afraid of Orpheus or somehow sees him as a bigger threat than the netherbrain to warrant him joining it. It was used as a barracks, naval base, dungeon, and fortress. He would directly tell you that having. The fact that he is Balduran seems so. . — Yasmin Mwanza. He is not Balduran even if he has the memories, he was born from devouring Balduran's brain. As a reminder on how The Emperor ends up where it does. . dude has zero integrity, lmao. like the dark secret is that they enthrall the duke but the knights of the shield are cultist worshipping a devil called Gargauth and is not clear if they did bad things or good things while in control over the knights also he is Balduran and in a book of interrogation of Gortash to the emperor part 3 is reveal that the emperor. He risks losing not only her trust but placing her life in danger. And The Emperor does seem to have a lot of his memories but, I was under the impression that when you undergo ceremorphosis, your brain is eaten and replaced by the mindflayer tadpole. It felt like a lot of time was spent on Karlach but not so much the others. So if you free Orpheus it makes sense for. The Emperor's choice was between killing Ansur or being killed by Ansur, not between being an Illithid or not. I gather Orpheus just stopped giving The Emperor his protection and he fell back under control of the brain. The odds are cast anew. It is likely a. Everyone he directly harms through his lies is actually evil (stelmane was a devil worshiper, he ate brains of criminals, the gith. I gather Orpheus just stopped giving The Emperor his protection and he fell back under control of the brain. dude has zero integrity, lmao. Now hope is gone, or so it seems. (potentially big spoilers) I really just feel like it’s a whole cop out. - While he is an Illithid, he doesn't want more to be created and he doesn't ally himself with any other questionable creature. 1. . 47 every. Found a minor ending variation. Astrail Plane; On top of Nether Brain . Ansur, Balduran's dragon companion recognise him when you meet him. Who founded Baldur's Gate. A well-known adventurer, Mind Flayers transformed him into one of them when he ventured into the Moonrise Towers. So either the Emperor is a straight male or a gay girl (or bisexual or whatever the fuck, doesn't matter. There's a mural in the Wyrmway you can interact with and it says "an elf and a dragon. And there's that dialogue option when facing it: 'I want to know everything about you!' Seriously hoping Larian steps up and adds more to the Emperor's narrative and essential reactions during encounters. And I think that's backed up at the end. He was once an adventurer and, although he didn't take an arrow to the knee, he did take a tadpole to the eye. I mostly enjoyed the. Wearer is immune to Crits. Baldur's Gate 3 is available on Steam : on Spotify: and Publ. He kept the memories of Balduran, yet still becomes a whiny bitch who constantly moans about how illithids are superior, and is only in it to save his own skin despite claiming to care about Baldur's Gate. So it seems like he’s weak on the mind flayer strength scale. Later on, during Act 3, you learn that the Dreamlover is actually the Illithid Mind Flayer Emperor. Extinguish these torches, then hit them with Lightning and relight them. Ansur could not accept the Emperor as an Illithid, leading to Balduran reluctantly killing Ansur. Balduran's Giantslayer is an excellent weapon with the power to confront almost any larger creature. Could not avert his fate. The fact that he is Balduran seems so. He's the tadpole that has baldurans memories. So yeah, I don't like him. Follow the passage and enter the Wyrmway, then continue and lockpick the. He is the "HERO" Balduran and also killed the Green Dragon just to save his own mindflayer ass again. He was basically forced to enthrall or kill his friends in self-defense because even after being freed from the elder brain, they only ever saw him as a mind flayer and not the. The fact that he is Balduran seems so. "O, sing a song of Balduran / Who founded Baldur. I got the quest for the dragon Ansur and just. In theory, this revelation would give players more justification to trust The Emperor. If you have him take the power he helps you defeat the brain and, unless you convince him otherwise or. He originates from Balduran and has all of his memories, so his identity / personhood is a mixture of Balduran and mind flayer-ness. Let's assume that Ansur has found a powerful magician who is capable of bringing back the human Balduran, and is ready to cast the necessary spell. Ms. This unique situation happened in a very rare case. I loved the quest and the trials, and I think it goes to show that YOU -- not this long dead champion whose been twisted beyond recognition -- are the hero of the story. After escaping the control of the Elder Brain for the first time, the mind flayer. So Balduran was just trying to elude us into a trap him himself had fallen in the. The fact that he is Balduran seems so. Therefore it is assumable that the guardian's appearance is the emperor's former form before they became an Illithid. 11. One of those relics is the missing butter knife the Emperor mentions, with the quest note reading, "Legends often speak of Balduran's Butter Knife. Just as the party is coming to grips with working with a mind flayer, BG3 throws another twist with the Emperor at the team. Finding out he is Balduran does nothing really for Tav or Emperor taking down the brain. Deep under Baldur's Gate is the Wyrmway, a dungeon filled with puzzles, an undead dragon called Ansur, and a lot of lore about the founder of Baldur's Gate: Balduran. Characters need to master certain Proficiency before. I mean, considering Ilithid nature he is very much different, more willing to cooperate. Obviously the emperor is dead too but IMO he was kind of an asshole for choosing power over his best friend (Ansur). If you. But game's not over yet. A hero’s heart entombed, waiting underground to fulfill an oath of eld: the great wyrm would aid Baldur’s Gate in its time of need. 2023 with information regarding Balduran's/Emperor's lifespan being way, way longer than it should. Well, the Guardian is a transformed Mind Flayer named Balduran. The thing is, Ansur wouldn't have stopped either. The Emperor is just one of them, and there's a particularly surprising reveal that sets the stage. He would have hunted Balduran to the edges of the planet to kill him. So the Emperor was still alive on the top of the brain when I killed the netherbrain. Emperor will join Nether Brain and fight should you choose to free Prince Orpheus. A very divisive character imo. idk, unnecessary? forced? out of nowhere? I mean the one guy who helps us and happens to be an illithid is also the guy who founded the damn city ?. From what I understand of mind flayers, they get memories from the brains they devour. This reveals the way into the Wyrmway. So my first playthrough I broke Wylls pact and ended up not freeing his dad in the iron throne but in this playthrough I did. Balduran was. But that doesn't explain why we don't get the choice to help undead Ansur beat The Emperor. fandom. Thank you to Ixal for pointing this out. Turn left from the entrance and head to the end of the hall where you find two Dragon Head Torches. Let's assume that Ansur has found a powerful magician who is capable of bringing back the human Balduran, and is ready to cast the necessary spell. idk, unnecessary? forced? out of nowhere? I mean the one guy who helps us and happens to be an illithid is also the guy who founded the damn city ? Isn't it a bit much? On a side note, when he joins the Netherbrain in the end if you refuse to give him the stones. . K. 3. Balduran is dead—"The Emperor" is merely imitating what used to be Balduran because it was an exceptional Tadpole that consumed not just Balduran's soul, but his memories as well. The Emperor is featured (but unnamed) as the evil entity that entralled Selmane in the adventure Murder in Baldur's Gate. However, a surprising turn of events quickly unfolds: The Emperor killed Ansur. you get a bit of interesting lore about the Emperor. Yeah that was pretty shocking. The most logical answer is a time dilation between the material and astral plains, or at least the astral prison. I don't think so. Remember, you freed Orpheus and the only reason any of you are able to resist is because of Orpheus's power. The Emperor's timeline. The most important third act decision regarding the ending involves the Emperor, Orpheus, and the player character's illithid potential. He knows if he leaves, you're forced to turn someone into a mind flayer on your team to beat the netherbrain (for equally contrived reasons but I *could* ignore it). By default, the party is allied with the Emperor, an independent mind flayer and the true identity of Baldur's Gate 3's Guardian, who reveals that the party is being protected from the influence of the Absolute. ) I've read that articles refer to it as a he, but then why does he take a female form as the dream visitor?Balduran's Giantslayer in Baldur's Gate is a great legendary weapon for any 2H melee user, but it's much more than just a handy combat tool. I thought that the emperor was making up some BS background story about being an adventurer, but no it turns out he's the founder of Baldur's Gate itself. It feels like Balduran wants freedom while the Illithid he has become chooses to be a slave rather than potentially dying by the hand of Orpheus. He hasn't been a mindflayer for that long. Plus the fact that fucking Balduran himself will immediately hop over to help the Netherbrain if you disagree with him says all. The Emperor wants you to be as powerful as possible no matter what, because he knows how tough the end fight is. Secondly is independence. I mostly enjoyed the. The Baldurans were tall, muscular, gray-skinned mammalian humanoids with. Delving into the Wyrmway beneath Baldur’s. Honestly I wouldn't even be too angry if we got to the end and it turned out that that was the case. The Emperor might even want the best for Baldur's Gate, as far as he sees it. As The Legend of Ansur says, The Dragon’s Sanctum is history begging to be unearthed. A hero’s heart entombed, waiting underground to fulfill an oath of eld: the great wyrm would aid Baldur’s Gate in its time of need. The fact that he is Balduran seems so. both offer you power in exchange for working with them, but the ways they go about it are could not be more different. The tadpole with memories of Balduran is not Balduran despite its insistence to the contrary. — Waj Ali. None of this is to say the Emperor is objectively evil or the wrong choice or anything. As commenter Wutras points out, the Song of Balduran, which plays in the Elfsong Tavern camp, pretty much spells the damn thing out word for word. We see this through his trials in Wyrm's Rock and also by the fact his best friend was a good-aligned metallic dragon. The fact that he is Balduran seems so. (I know some people don't have the same values, but what is missing is a non-negotiable staple of the genre in my eyes) Re: Daisy, the Absolute, and the Emperor [SPOILERS] Nerovar # 881410 15/08/23 10:40 PM. He’s always made the choice that lets him survive on the long run. . at least initially. The fact that he is Balduran seems so. Balduran's presence is limited to some statues and a very powerful version of the spell Magic Mouth, D&D's answer to pre-recorded greetings cards. He goes by the name Emperor after his transformation, and unlike other Mind Flayers in BG3, he has free will and memories intact post-ceremorpohosis. I mostly enjoyed the. #2. If you choose it, he literally roasts you 😐 I had to reload a save just to save my character from the embarrassment. First, go to Wyrm’s Rock Fortress and head down to the prison. I gather Orpheus just stopped giving The Emperor his protection and he fell back under control of the brain. Joined: Oct 2020. But when you get inside, you. The only way The Emperor fights you is if you free Orpheus, and Orpheus has every reason to *hate* The Emperor. - While he is an Illithid, he doesn't want more to be created and he doesn't ally himself with any other questionable creature. Am I the only one that feels the flow of the narrative suffered. Memories of Balduran only amount to learning one spell when you become a mind flayer i guess 😂. New comments cannot be. No matter what he only uses discourse and attempts to convince you that working together is the only way to survive. Is Balduran an immortal?the parallels between Raphael and the Emperor are so compelling to me. He hasn't been a mindflayer for that long. He obviously identifies with Balduran in some way. In Baldur's Gate III, Balduran is revealed to be the illithid "The Emperor"; he had somehow escaped or avoided his implied stranding and death on the Isle of Balduran, and eventually was infected by a mind flayer colony. It was damaged by time and the elements. Balduran was a pirate who were strong enough to attract a dragon as friend. - He is an Illithid, which means that his. " even if you pick a Background like Outlander which contradicts it by Stating "You grew up in the wilds. Is Balduran an immortal?The Shield of Balduran was the shield wielded by the legendary explorer Balduran. Wyll saying "thank Balduran" is foreshadowing because the Emperor is the one protecting all the tadpoled companions. Withers explicitly says they have no souls left, no true remnant of the person they were, only memories and traces of emotion. old hand. He was captain Barbossa with legendary great sword and helmet. Balduran's Giantslayer in Baldur's Gate is a great legendary weapon for any 2H melee user, but it's much more than just a handy combat tool. Mysterious. srp. But ultimately Ansur is correct: Balduran is dead. . I mean in every way it matters he basically is Balduran. He apparently later is captured by the absolute in 1492, even though he is basically a. I’d just point out that literally the only person telling you that Orpheus is a jerk is the Emperor. She played the Emperor and the Dead Three chosen. She's been playing like 13th dimension chess and planned for the Emperor to rebel and recruit tadpoled-empowered adventurers to help him get one of the Netherstones from the Dead Three Chosen. . Stun Immunity. I couldn't bear to force Orpheus to turn into one, and I can save Karlach's life by doing it. He continues to be drawn to Baldur's Gate, carries Balduran's staff, and has his mother's cutlery. The only way The Emperor fights you is if you free Orpheus, and Orpheus has every reason to *hate* The Emperor. In this role, he becomes known as the Emperor. idk, unnecessary? forced? out of nowhere? I mean the one guy who helps us and happens to be an illithid is also the guy who founded the damn city ? Isn't it a bit much? On a side note, when he joins the Netherbrain in the end if you refuse to give him the stones. Anxious Burgher / Clerk Tamara…. The fact that he is Balduran seems so. Balduran disappeared over 300 years ago and was human. . Let’s cut to the chase with this one: While both options are. . He's a survivor, just as Balduran always was, and chose to not be killed against his will. Joined: Jan 2023. #42. 6 The Emperor Is Balduran Just as the party is coming to grips with working with a mind flayer, BG3 throws another twist with the Emperor at the team. Or Karlach. dude has zero integrity, lmao. As for the Wizard, I’d want to say Balduran/Emperor since their flashback showed the casting of Feather Fall (Spell Wizards can use) and they are more directly involved with the Astral. Along with his sword and armor, Balduran's shield was stolen from a museum in the city of Baldur's Gate. As commenter Wutras points out, the Song of Balduran, which plays in the Elfsong Tavern camp, pretty much spells the damn thing out word for word. It had a full armory and catapults to battle hostile ships, and a massive chain which could. Any Baldur's Gate 3 player is going to be slightly suspicious of the Emperor, well before his tentacles appear. They don't think they do and most when they die would rather assimilate into an Elder Brain. That’s what you need to know about all the. Search The Emperor Is Balduran The Creator Of Baldur S Gate Baldur S Gate 3 Secrets trade goods, offerings, and more in your local area. The butter knife line is actually a very clever piece of foreshadowing for the revelation that The Emperor is actually Balduran, the founder of the titular city of Baldur's Gate who has been. Rude. Apparently they were in love with Duke Stelmane long ago and that person was a girl. Joined: Oct 2020. e. Emperor was not an anomaly, it was part of the (grand)design. It involves traveling to a place called the Wyrmway underneath Wyrm’s Rock Castle and awakening an ancient Wyrm called Ansur. The Emperor's Sword +2. . Balduran disappeared in the mid 1000s DR and became a mind flayer. Even so the guy is so heroic that he is willing to become himself a mindflyer and passing the leadership of the cause against Vlaakith to Lae'zel. He sired Ethniu, who mated with the. In this role, he becomes known as the Emperor. I mostly enjoyed the. Balduran as the emperor also doesn't make SENSE. Emperor is a mind flayer. . Published Sep 25, 2023 Throughout Baldur's Gate 3, the party is kept safe and aided by the mysterious Emperor, but who are they, and should they be saved at a crucial point?. It's not much of a "theory" because that's exactly what the brain outright tells you at the pool. Withers explicitly says they have no souls left, no true remnant of the person they were, only memories and traces of emotion. . Above all else, he will do anything to survive. . that they are two living creatures, in which Balduran is perished and the Emperor is a newborn mind flayer who has stolen Balduran’s full or partial memories), then you would have to admit that Balduran did not kill Ansur, but rather, a mind flayer named the Emperor killed. aug. S. The Emperor tells you that he was defending. Minthara is the best character and she NEEDS to be recruitable if you side with the grove! Re: Romance with the Emperor, the Mind Flayer. idk, unnecessary? forced? out of nowhere? I mean the one guy who helps us and happens to be an illithid is also the guy who founded the damn city ?. BG and BG2 wants to present a story-centric gameplay, while BG3 wants to present a player-centric gameplay. [Verse 1] O, sing a song of Balduran. Balduran, or The Emperor now, grew to accept his. The emperor is just a cold calculating person. The Emperor has glimpsed into Orpheus' thoughts and very well knows that the Prince will be willing to work with the adventurers. He obviously identifies with Balduran in some way. , 11:47 every. In the final fight I didn't kill the emperor before jumping into the portal. The Emperor's Sword +2. Balduran's Giantslayer is a legendary greatsword that receives doubled damage bonus from Strength, grants its wielder the Giant Form class action and the Topple the Big Folk weapon action, as well as Advantage on Attack rolls against Large, Huge, and Gargantuan creatures. •. Just as the party is coming to grips with working with a mind flayer, BG3 throws another twist with the Emperor at the team. During. But the Emperor is not Balduran. idk, unnecessary? forced? out of nowhere? I mean the one guy who helps us and happens to be an illithid is also the guy who founded the damn city ?. I'd like to see Omeluum and the Society of Brillance take a more proactive role in dealing with the Emperor/Balduran wicked ways, and have more tasks and dialog strings to tie things more securely. Far from being created for the games that bear its name, the city of Baldur's Gate has been a part of the Forgotten Realms campaign setting since it was first published. Ansur: Have you come to dance on my bones, Balduran? Was slaying me not satisfaction enough? However, the truly startling revelation comes in Act 3 when you are tasked by Duke Ravenguard to find and secure the help of the mighty Bronze Dragon named Ansur - companion of Balduran, the founder of the city. But the Emperor, unlike all other Mind Flayers, has retained the identity of the host completely, and identifies himself as Balduran. +1 to AC and Saving Throws. The helm also protects your mind from stunning effects – you are immune to any spells or attacks that could stun you while wearing Balduran’s helm. Players soon realize that Anduran actually addresses the Emperor as a Coward since the Emperor was Balduran, Anduran's greatest ally in a previous life. No, players learn, he is calling The Emperor that, for The Emperor was Anduran's greatest ally in his past life, the found of Baldur's Gate, Balduran. idk, unnecessary? forced? out of nowhere? I mean the one guy who helps us and happens to be an illithid is also the guy who founded the damn city ? Isn't it a bit much? On a side note, when he joins the Netherbrain in the end if you refuse to give him the stones. . As The Legend of Ansur says, The Dragon’s Sanctum is history begging to be unearthed. #14. First off, The Emperor aka Balduran is perhaps the most idiotic character ever. The Emperor however is something utterly else, and its a bold step in writing that I want to see more of when it comes to romance writing. The quest where you explore the wreckage of the Wandering Eye was so cool, and learning Balduran's tales was a glimpse into this mysterious character. So Baldur's Gate can't have been named for Baldr, because Baldr was known to be active on Earth's plane at the time. suprpiwi. And the Balduran "twist" is the biggest meh twist Ive seen for a long time. The Emperor is Later Revealed to Be Balduran. This +3 shield made the wielder feel weak, but possessed the powerful ability to reflect the eye rays of beholders. Last edited by Ixal; 28/10/23 11:12 PM . Apparently the tadpoles have souls so yeah. He originates from Balduran and has all of his memories, so his identity / personhood is a mixture of Balduran and mind flayer-ness. That just makes the most sense to me considering the tadpole, um, logistics. idk, unnecessary? forced? out of nowhere? I mean the one guy who helps us and happens to be an illithid is also the guy who founded the damn city ? Isn't it a bit much? On a side note, when he joins the Netherbrain in the end if you refuse to give him the stones. dude has zero integrity, lmao. He's a monster with the memories of a man, who uses that knowledge to manipulate people similar to the kind of man his memories belonged to, because he knows how they tick. Looking for an adventure? Than this is the right place! This time, we get told the whole story of Balduran, his hero days, his downfall and how that broke An. Mediocre Mar 25, 2021 @ 7:36am. I killed him shortly after anyways in the name of BhaalThe fact that he is Balduran seems so. Search The Emperor Is Balduran The Creator Of Baldur S Gate Baldur S Gate 3 Secrets trade goods, offerings, and more in your local area. às 11:47 every. Our guide discusses whether or not you should help the Emperor. emperorapologist asked: may i humbly ask for my favorite malewife mansplain. Balduran is not the human character.